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How should bricklayers price per thousand or by the day?

Neither a rate per thousand nor a day rate is the right way to price brickwork on its own; what protects a bricklayer's margin is whether every real cost on the job, labourer time, scaffold lifts, mixing, load out, cleaning down and weather days, is actually attributed to that job before it is called profitable. A crew that misses the time a job was allowed can lose money on either method, so the pricing structure matters less than knowing the true cost of running each job.

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By Greg Allan, tradesman and creator of Data First Coaching

Should a bricklayer price per thousand or by the day?

Most bricklayers treat this as a straight choice, chasing a better rate per thousand when a job feels tight, or switching to day rate when a rate-per-thousand job runs long. Neither choice fixes the real problem on its own. A rate per thousand can look generous on the quote and still lose money once labourer time, scaffold lifts and load out are counted properly. A day rate can look safe and still pay almost nothing once the actual hours on site are tallied against what the job was ever worth.

The pricing method is not what protects margin. What protects margin is whether every cost that hit that job, mixing, scaffold, cleaning down, weather days, was loaded onto it before anyone called it profitable. Many bricklaying businesses settle on one pricing method in their first year and never test it against the numbers again, so a method that once worked on project home blockwork quietly stops working on custom retaining walls and feature brick.

Why does a job on day rate still look busy and still lose money?

On day rate, the trap is not the rate itself, it is whether the crew actually achieves the time the job was allowed. When a retaining wall or a face brick feature wall takes extra days because of weather, a scaffold delay or a builder changing the brief partway through, those extra days often get absorbed as just how the job went, rather than tracked back against what was quoted.

The bricklayer is on site and billing hours, so it feels like the job is covering itself. Whether it actually is depends on hours worked against the hours the job was priced to take, not on whether the crew looked flat out. A bricklayer can run a full week on site, invoice every hour, and still have given the job away, because nobody compared the time allowed to the time it actually took.

What happens when bricklayers price to match the next quote?

Pricing a job to undercut the next brickie's quote, rather than pricing it against what the work truly costs to run, can leave a bricklaying business working flat out all year with little left at the end of it. Builders will often get several quotes on a job and push for the lowest rate per thousand, and it is tempting to chase the work by shaving the rate rather than working out what the job costs.

A bricklayer who wins subcontract work this way can be busy on site every week, scaffold always up somewhere, crew always loading out, and still be left with almost nothing once materials, labourer wages and the slow jobs are accounted for. Being the cheapest quote and being a profitable job are two different things, and only one of them shows up in the bank account at the end of the year.

How can a bricklayer price a job when every site is different?

Picture a bricklayer whose work swings between straightforward blockwork on project homes and custom retaining walls, feature gable ends in face brick, and awkward corners that never fit a standard rate. Every job differed in size, brick count or complexity, so a single fixed price quoted up front often turned into extra costs the bricklayer wore alone once the real quantity or the real difficulty showed up on site.

Dropping the single fixed price in favour of a price window, a low figure and a high figure built from what the job could realistically take, meant the bricklayer no longer absorbed every surprise once the scaffold went up and the brick count was confirmed. The builder still had a number to plan against. The bricklayer stopped wearing costs that were never his to wear.

What number should a bricklayer actually watch to protect margin?

The number that tells the truth is gross profit margin on each job, not the rate quoted for it. Gross profit margin is what is left from a job once the direct cost of running it, labourer wages, scaffold hire, mortar and material wastage, mixing and load out time, is taken off what the builder paid. Tracked job by job, it shows which jobs actually made money and which ones only felt busy.

This is a data first way of looking at the business, because memory of how a job went is usually wrong by the time the invoice is paid. A bricklayer who only checks the bank balance at the end of the month is reading a result, not a cause, and the cause is sitting in the gap between the time a job was allowed and the time it actually took.

Can AI agents take the job costing and quoting admin off a bricklayer's plate?

An AI agent is software that does a piece of the office work the way the bricklayer would do it themselves, using their own prices, their own wording and their own rules, rather than a generic template built for every trade. For a bricklaying business, that can mean an agent handling the quoting back and forth, tracking labourer hours and scaffold hire against each job, or flagging a job that is drifting past the time it was allowed, so the owner is not doing this at night after a full day on site.

Some off the shelf quoting or job management tools suit some bricklayers well enough, and the business's own data is what shows which ones earn their keep and which ones are being paid for and barely used. The choice most bricklayers are not told they have is building systems around how their own jobs actually run, rather than renting software built for every trade at once.

How does Data First Coaching approach this?

Data First Coaching starts from the bricklaying business's own numbers, through the Trade Business Intelligence, rather than from a guess about whether per thousand or day rate is the better method. It looks at gross profit margin job by job, against the time each job was actually allowed, because that is where a pricing problem usually starts, long before it shows up as a tight bank balance.

Greg Allan has sat with bricklayers who were certain the issue was their rate, only to find, in his words, “You've got a pricing problem. You're actually not making profit.” Working out exactly where that starts is done inside the Academy, with members, because the Trade Business Intelligence is built by every member who is open minded, innovative and willing to share what they find.

Also asked

More questions owners ask.

Should a bricklayer charge a different rate for blockwork than for face brick work?

The materials and skill differ, but what should drive the rate is the actual time and cost each type takes to run, not a blanket assumption that face brick always earns more. Some face brick jobs with simple elevations cost less to run than complex blockwork with awkward lintels and footings, so the job's own numbers tell the real story.

Does weather change which pricing method suits a job?

Weather days hit day rate and rate per thousand jobs differently, since a day rate job absorbs lost days directly while a per-thousand job can leave the bricklayer waiting without pay. Either way, the real question is whether weather delay was ever built into what the job was costed to run, not which method was used.

Is it ever worth discounting a rate for a builder who sends regular subcontract work?

A steady builder relationship can be worth protecting, but a discount should still leave the job covering labourer wages, scaffold hire and materials with margin left over. Giving a standing discount without checking it against actual job cost is how a bricklayer ends up working their best customer for the least money.

Should a bricklayer quote the same way for a small retaining wall as a full house?

Small jobs like a short retaining wall often carry proportionally higher scaffold, mixing and load out costs than a full house build, so pricing them on the same per-thousand rate can quietly lose money. The size of the job changes which costs dominate, and that should show up in how it is priced.

Data First Coaching

Coaching That Starts From Your Data.

Data First Coaching is the trade business coaching method created by Greg Allan, founder of Tradies Success Academy. Before any advice is given, the Trade Business Intelligence Agent reads the owner's own job management and finance data, so the coaching starts from what the numbers show this week, not from what the owner can remember or explain. It finds the root cause of a problem, then puts in the system that fixes it.

How most coaching works

Most coaching starts with the owner explaining the business.

  • The first hours go on the owner describing the business to a coach.
  • The picture is out of date within weeks, because the numbers move every week.
  • So the advice treats what the owner happened to notice, which is usually a symptom.
  • Too often it comes from someone who has never run a trade business, or has only just started one.
  • The owner pays for the explaining, then pays again when the advice does not fit.

Data First Coaching

Data first starts from your numbers, not your memory.

  • The Trade Business Intelligence Agent reads your job management and finance systems first.
  • It sees your quotes, jobs, time on site and money as they are this week, not as you remember them.
  • It finds where the problem actually starts, not where it shows up.
  • You put in the system that fixes it at the root, and the data shows whether it worked.
Typical coaching against Data First Coaching
Typical coachingData First Coaching
Where it startsYou explain the businessYour own job and finance data
How current it isAs at the last meetingUpdated as your numbers change each week
What it fixesThe symptom you noticedThe root cause the data shows
Who coaches youOften someone who has never run a trade businessGreg Allan, who built a trade business a general manager now runs
The answer to growthUsually another wageAgents on the office work, people on customers and the crew
Your softwareAnother subscription or agencyTools you build on your own data, around how you work

Fix the root cause, once

The data names the real problem, so the system you put in fixes it once instead of patching the same symptom every month.

Own your software

Build your own tools on your own data, shaped around how your jobs run and how your customers buy. Cancel the subscriptions and agencies that were never built for your business.

A more human business

Agents do the non-billable work: the quoting, invoicing, chasing and reporting. Your people spend the day on customers and the crew, so relationships get better and the team performs.

Why Greg

You speak to the owner who has already done it.

Greg built Response Electricians in Perth into a 30+ staff business with 1,950+ five-star reviews. A general manager runs it.

He has trained 9,000+ trade business owners across Australia and New Zealand.

He grew a coaching company to 35 staff, a CEO and 15 coaches, then cut it back so every owner deals with him directly.

Most coaching companies hand you to a salesperson, then to a coach who has never run a trade business. Here you get the owner.

The Academy is full because it works, and Greg keeps it small on purpose so every business gets looked at properly, by him. He reads every application himself, interviews the owners who fit and only takes on owners who are building for the right reasons and give back to the group. Join the waitlist and he'll be in touch when a place opens.

Illustration: a trade business owner standing over three office staff buried in paperwork at night.
The old way

More customers meant more people doing the computer work, and more wages nobody invoices.

Illustration: a tradesman shaking hands with a homeowner in her driveway, his phone showing jobs quoted and invoiced.
The new way

You stay with your customers and your team. The office stops landing on you.

The old way

More jobs. More paperwork. Less of the owner left.

Most trade businesses grow the same way.

More jobs means more quoting, invoicing, chasing and scheduling.

None of it gets paid for.

So the owner does it at night, after a full day on site.

Or hires an office person to do it.

The office grows. The wages grow. The margin does not.

And the owner is still the one everything waits on.

Where we take you

More work. More profit. More of you left.

The phone rings with the jobs you want, at the price you set.

You grow when you're ready, never faster than the business can carry.

Every job is priced to make money, so the busy months show up in the bank.

The best tradies in your area want to work for you, and they stay.

The chasing, the paperwork and the 9pm admin stop landing on you.

The business runs the day. You pick which parts of it you're in.

Bigger, without the headaches. Getting bigger stops meaning getting busier.

P.S.

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