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How should an earthmoving business set machine hire rates?

Machine hire rates should be built from the true cost of running each excavator, bobcat or tipper, not from a markup on the dry hire figure. An earthmoving contractor’s own job and cost data shows what a rate really needs to recover once fuel, servicing, breakdowns, float time and wet days are counted, so the rate protects gross margin instead of just covering the machine.

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By Greg Allan, tradesman and creator of Data First Coaching

Why does a machine hire rate that looks healthy still leave nothing in the bank?

A machine hire rate can look healthy on paper and still leave an earthmoving contractor with nothing once the job wraps up. Most owners set a rate by adding a margin onto the dry hire cost of the excavator or bobcat, the same way a price might be built off a materials cost in any trade. That number covers the machine sitting on the yard. It says nothing about what it actually costs to run the business that machine works inside.

The gap shows up on site cuts, trenching and bulk earthworks jobs that look profitable in the quote and go thin or disappear once the invoice is reconciled against what the job really cost. Fuel burnt getting the excavator to a far site, a service that falls due mid job, a breakdown that pulls the tipper off the road for a day, these costs rarely get pinned to the job that caused them. They sit in overhead, get absorbed somewhere, and the owner never sees which rate actually paid for itself.

What costs get missed when an excavator rate is set off the dry hire price?

A rate set only off dry hire misses everything that happens once the machine, the operator and the float are actually on site. Dry hire covers the machine. It does not cover the operator’s wage, the fuel burnt across the machine hours, the cost of floating plant between sites, the tipping fee on every load that leaves, or the wet day the excavator sits idle while the contractor still carries the cost of having it there.

Civil and builder customers often negotiate hard on the headline rate, because they are comparing it against other dry hire or wet hire quotes in the market. An earthmoving contractor pricing to match that headline figure, without separately pricing the operator, servicing, rock breaking attachments and tipping fees underneath it, is pricing against someone else’s cost structure, not their own. A rate that wins the job against a civil budget can still be the rate that quietly erodes margin across a whole quarter of trenching and drainage work.

What is the difference between markup and gross margin on a machine hour?

Markup and gross margin are two different numbers, and pricing an excavator or bobcat by markup alone means you are guessing at whether the job is actually profitable. Markup is what gets added on top of the dry hire cost. Gross margin is what is actually left once every real cost of delivering that machine hour, fuel, servicing, breakdowns, float time and wet days, is taken out.

A rate that carries a comfortable markup on dry hire can still land as a thin or negative margin once those costs are properly attributed to the job. That is the trap in charging a flat hire figure copied from the market or the last job, instead of building the rate from what running that excavator, that tipper, that bobcat, actually costs your earthmoving business. Gross margin is the number worth protecting and reviewing often, because it is the one that tells you whether the business grew or just got busier.

How do you price each part of the job instead of one bundled hire rate?

You price the machine hour, the operator, the fuel, the servicing and the tipping fee separately, on their own true cost, instead of folding everything into one bundled hire figure. Bundled, guessed pricing hides where the margin actually comes from on an earthmoving job. Itemised pricing shows it.

Once each component carries its own real cost, a quote for a site cut or a trenching job becomes a build up of known numbers rather than a single rate pulled from memory or the last invoice. This is where AI agents, software that does a job the way you would, using your prices, your wording and your rules, can take over the itemised pricing and quoting work in the background, consistently, every time a job comes in. AI agents can also track fuel, servicing and breakdown costs against each machine as they happen, so the real cost of running the excavator or bobcat sits in the data rather than in a memory from three jobs ago. That is a data first way of pricing: the rate comes from the numbers, not from a feeling about what the market will pay.

What changes when every customer type pays the same fixed rate?

Picture an earthmoving contractor running an excavator, a bobcat and a tipper across civil, builder and residential site cuts, who had been pricing job by job, with the rate quietly moving depending on who was asking. Builders got one number, civil got another, and the rates were never quite where they needed to be once fuel, servicing and float time were counted properly.

Moving to a fixed rate across every type of customer, including builders, with a noticeable increase on what had been charged before, changed what each job actually returned. Reviewing the cost of running the business every quarter, rather than relying on last year’s rate card, kept that fixed rate honest as fuel, servicing and tipping fees moved. If your own hire rate still depends on who is asking, that is the kind of thing your own data will show you plainly. The rate stopped depending on who was asking and started depending on what the job and the business actually cost to run.

How does Data First Coaching approach this?

Data First Coaching starts with the earthmoving contractor’s own numbers, not with a market rate or a rule of thumb, because the real story of what a machine hour costs is sitting in the business’s own job and finance data. Through the Trade Business Intelligence, Greg Allan’s coaching looks at where a hire rate is actually landing against fuel, servicing, breakdowns, float time and wet days, and finds where the margin is really being lost, rather than treating a thin quarter as the problem itself.

The how, building the itemised pricing, setting up the agents, and reviewing the rate each quarter, is worked through inside the Academy, with members. It suits earthmoving contractors who are open minded, innovative and willing to share what they learn, because the Trade Business Intelligence is powered by every member who contributes to it.

Also asked

More questions owners ask.

Should dry hire and wet hire rates be worked out the same way?

No. Wet hire stacks the operator and fuel on top of the machine cost that dry hire alone carries, so the components build differently. Both still need the same discipline though: each part priced on its own true cost, not set by comparing against what another earthmoving contractor is charging.

How often should an earthmoving contractor review machine hire rates?

Often enough to keep pace with fuel, servicing and tipping fee changes, rather than leaving the rate card untouched for a year. A regular review, built around the business’s own cost data, catches a rate drifting out of line before a whole quarter of jobs has absorbed the gap.

Does charging one fixed rate to every customer actually work for an earthmoving business?

It works once the rate itself is built from the true cost of running the excavator, bobcat or tipper. A fixed rate across builder, civil and residential customers stops the price depending on who is asking, as long as the number underneath it is honest about fuel, servicing and float time.

What is the risk of pricing off what other earthmoving contractors in the area are charging?

Matching the market rate means pricing against someone else’s cost structure. Fuel burn, servicing schedules, breakdown history and float time differ between fleets, so a rate that suits another contractor’s machines can still be the wrong rate for yours.

Data First Coaching

Coaching That Starts From Your Data.

Data First Coaching is the trade business coaching method created by Greg Allan, founder of Tradies Success Academy. Before any advice is given, the Trade Business Intelligence Agent reads the owner's own job management and finance data, so the coaching starts from what the numbers show this week, not from what the owner can remember or explain. It finds the root cause of a problem, then puts in the system that fixes it.

How most coaching works

Most coaching starts with the owner explaining the business.

  • The first hours go on the owner describing the business to a coach.
  • The picture is out of date within weeks, because the numbers move every week.
  • So the advice treats what the owner happened to notice, which is usually a symptom.
  • Too often it comes from someone who has never run a trade business, or has only just started one.
  • The owner pays for the explaining, then pays again when the advice does not fit.

Data First Coaching

Data first starts from your numbers, not your memory.

  • The Trade Business Intelligence Agent reads your job management and finance systems first.
  • It sees your quotes, jobs, time on site and money as they are this week, not as you remember them.
  • It finds where the problem actually starts, not where it shows up.
  • You put in the system that fixes it at the root, and the data shows whether it worked.
Typical coaching against Data First Coaching
Typical coachingData First Coaching
Where it startsYou explain the businessYour own job and finance data
How current it isAs at the last meetingUpdated as your numbers change each week
What it fixesThe symptom you noticedThe root cause the data shows
Who coaches youOften someone who has never run a trade businessGreg Allan, who built a trade business a general manager now runs
The answer to growthUsually another wageAgents on the office work, people on customers and the crew
Your softwareAnother subscription or agencyTools you build on your own data, around how you work

Fix the root cause, once

The data names the real problem, so the system you put in fixes it once instead of patching the same symptom every month.

Own your software

Build your own tools on your own data, shaped around how your jobs run and how your customers buy. Cancel the subscriptions and agencies that were never built for your business.

A more human business

Agents do the non-billable work: the quoting, invoicing, chasing and reporting. Your people spend the day on customers and the crew, so relationships get better and the team performs.

Why Greg

You speak to the owner who has already done it.

Greg built Response Electricians in Perth into a 30+ staff business with 1,950+ five-star reviews. A general manager runs it.

He has trained 9,000+ trade business owners across Australia and New Zealand.

He grew a coaching company to 35 staff, a CEO and 15 coaches, then cut it back so every owner deals with him directly.

Most coaching companies hand you to a salesperson, then to a coach who has never run a trade business. Here you get the owner.

The Academy is full because it works, and Greg keeps it small on purpose so every business gets looked at properly, by him. He reads every application himself, interviews the owners who fit and only takes on owners who are building for the right reasons and give back to the group. Join the waitlist and he'll be in touch when a place opens.

Illustration: a trade business owner standing over three office staff buried in paperwork at night.
The old way

More customers meant more people doing the computer work, and more wages nobody invoices.

Illustration: a tradesman shaking hands with a homeowner in her driveway, his phone showing jobs quoted and invoiced.
The new way

You stay with your customers and your team. The office stops landing on you.

The old way

More jobs. More paperwork. Less of the owner left.

Most trade businesses grow the same way.

More jobs means more quoting, invoicing, chasing and scheduling.

None of it gets paid for.

So the owner does it at night, after a full day on site.

Or hires an office person to do it.

The office grows. The wages grow. The margin does not.

And the owner is still the one everything waits on.

Where we take you

More work. More profit. More of you left.

The phone rings with the jobs you want, at the price you set.

You grow when you're ready, never faster than the business can carry.

Every job is priced to make money, so the busy months show up in the bank.

The best tradies in your area want to work for you, and they stay.

The chasing, the paperwork and the 9pm admin stop landing on you.

The business runs the day. You pick which parts of it you're in.

Bigger, without the headaches. Getting bigger stops meaning getting busier.

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