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How much deposit should a cabinetmaker take on a kitchen?

The deposit a cabinetmaker takes on a kitchen should be sized against the real cost of sales for that job before the next payment arrives, not against a habit figure. Board, hardware, edging, CNC time and the shop drawing hours spent before install day all cost money long before a builder's progress payment lands, so a deposit that ignores that outlay can leave a healthy quoted margin sitting on paper while the workshop account runs short.

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By Greg Allan, tradesman and creator of Data First Coaching

Why does a quoted margin on a kitchen job still leave the workshop account empty?

A quoted margin on a kitchen can look solid on the quote and still leave the workshop account short, because a cabinetmaker spends on board, hardware, edging and CNC time well before the second or final payment arrives. The margin on the quote assumes the job runs exactly to plan. The cash in the account only moves once materials are bought, staff are paid for shop drawings and cutting, and the builder or homeowner actually pays.

This is the gap between what a job earns on paper and what cash actually does in a trade business. A kitchen can be priced at a healthy margin and still create a cash problem, because the margin is a quoting number and the bank balance is a cashflow number, and the two do not move at the same time. For a cabinetmaker, that gap is widest in the weeks between the site measure and install day, when every dollar going out is real and every dollar owed is still a promise.

What is actually costing money before the final payment arrives?

Between a signed quote and install day, a cabinetmaker is already spending on board, hardware, edging, CNC time and staff hours for shop drawings and cut sheets, all before a single carcass is installed. None of that is theoretical. It is ordered, cut, edged and often sitting assembled in the workshop while the business waits on a builder's progress payment or a client's next instalment.

A deposit set as a round figure out of habit, rather than against that actual run of costs, often undercovers what a particular kitchen needs. A simple two pack galley kitchen with a straightforward benchtop and standard hardware has a very different cost of sales to a large kitchen with a wardrobe and vanity package attached, long lead time joinery items, and a tight install window. Treating every job's deposit the same way, regardless of what it actually costs to get to install day, is where the cashflow strain usually starts, even though the problem shows up later as a bank balance issue rather than a quoting one.

How do you work out what your deposit actually needs to cover?

You size a kitchen deposit against what that specific job will cost you before you are paid again, not against what has always felt right. That means looking at the board, hardware, edging and CNC time that job will consume, plus the shop drawing and cutting hours your crew puts in before install, and matching the deposit to that real outlay.

This is a data first way of pricing a job, not a gut feel percentage. Your fastest, leanest run of a similar kitchen is not the number to build a deposit on, because most jobs do not run at their fastest or leanest. Builders slip install dates, site measures throw up changes, and lead times on hardware or specialty board stretch. A deposit built on your own best-case job will often leave you short on an average one.

What happens when board and hardware prices move between quoting and ordering?

Board, hardware and freight costs can move between the week you quote a kitchen and the week you actually order for it, which means a deposit figure that covered your costs on a similar job some months ago may not cover today's job at all. A deposit is not something you set once and leave alone.

This matters more for a cabinetmaker than for many other trades, because so much of the cost of a kitchen is locked in early: board and hardware are specified and often ordered well before install, and CNC and edging time is booked into the workshop schedule ahead of the job. If the deposit was sized against last year's board price, it is being asked to cover a job that now costs more to get to install day, and the shortfall lands on the business, not the client.

Where do AI agents fit into protecting a cabinetmaker's cashflow on a kitchen job?

AI agents, which are software that does a job the way you would, using your own pricing, your own wording and your own rules, can check a kitchen's real cost of sales against its deposit before the job is confirmed, rather than leaving that check to memory or habit. That matters because a cabinetmaker is already stretched between the workshop, site measures and clients, and a deposit check is easy to skip when things are busy.

AI agents can also flag it when board, hardware or CNC costs on a job move away from what was quoted, before materials are ordered rather than after the bill lands. That gives you a chance to adjust a deposit or a progress payment schedule before the cash gap opens up, instead of discovering it when the workshop account is already tight. The office work this takes off your plate is the checking and chasing, not the judgement call, which stays with you.

How does Data First Coaching approach this?

Data First Coaching, built by Greg Allan, starts from a cabinetmaker's own job and finance data through the Trade Business Intelligence, not from a general rule about deposits. It looks at what a run of real kitchen jobs actually cost before the next payment landed, against what was taken as deposit, to find whether the real problem sits in the deposit size, the quoting of cost of sales, or the payment terms agreed with builders.

The how of building that into a repeatable system for your own jobs, pricing and client terms is worked through inside the Academy, with other members, because the Trade Business Intelligence is powered by every member for every member. It is built for owners who are open minded, innovative and willing to share what they learn, so the whole group gets sharper together.

Also asked

More questions owners ask.

Should a cabinetmaker take the same deposit on every kitchen job?

Not if jobs differ in cost of sales. A standard flat pack style kitchen with simple hardware costs far less to reach install day than a large kitchen with a wardrobe and vanity package, specialty board and a long lead time on hardware, so the deposit a job needs to cover its own costs will differ too.

What if a builder pushes back on the deposit amount?

A deposit built from what the job actually costs you before the next payment, rather than a round figure, is easier to stand behind in that conversation. It is harder to argue with a figure tied to real board, hardware and workshop cost than with a number picked because it is what has always been asked.

Does a bigger deposit always fix the cashflow problem?

Not on its own. If board and hardware prices keep moving and the deposit is never revisited, the same gap reopens on the next job. The fix is treating the deposit as a cost question tied to each job, not a one-off number set and forgotten.

Can progress payments do the same job as a bigger deposit?

They can, for longer kitchen jobs with a clear install sequence, by timing payments against when board, hardware and CNC costs are actually incurred rather than against calendar dates. That still needs the underlying cost of sales understood first, which is the same number a deposit decision needs.

Data First Coaching

Coaching That Starts From Your Data.

Data First Coaching is the trade business coaching method created by Greg Allan, founder of Tradies Success Academy. Before any advice is given, the Trade Business Intelligence Agent reads the owner's own job management and finance data, so the coaching starts from what the numbers show this week, not from what the owner can remember or explain. It finds the root cause of a problem, then puts in the system that fixes it.

How most coaching works

Most coaching starts with the owner explaining the business.

  • The first hours go on the owner describing the business to a coach.
  • The picture is out of date within weeks, because the numbers move every week.
  • So the advice treats what the owner happened to notice, which is usually a symptom.
  • Too often it comes from someone who has never run a trade business, or has only just started one.
  • The owner pays for the explaining, then pays again when the advice does not fit.

Data First Coaching

Data first starts from your numbers, not your memory.

  • The Trade Business Intelligence Agent reads your job management and finance systems first.
  • It sees your quotes, jobs, time on site and money as they are this week, not as you remember them.
  • It finds where the problem actually starts, not where it shows up.
  • You put in the system that fixes it at the root, and the data shows whether it worked.
Typical coaching against Data First Coaching
Typical coachingData First Coaching
Where it startsYou explain the businessYour own job and finance data
How current it isAs at the last meetingUpdated as your numbers change each week
What it fixesThe symptom you noticedThe root cause the data shows
Who coaches youOften someone who has never run a trade businessGreg Allan, who built a trade business a general manager now runs
The answer to growthUsually another wageAgents on the office work, people on customers and the crew
Your softwareAnother subscription or agencyTools you build on your own data, around how you work

Fix the root cause, once

The data names the real problem, so the system you put in fixes it once instead of patching the same symptom every month.

Own your software

Build your own tools on your own data, shaped around how your jobs run and how your customers buy. Cancel the subscriptions and agencies that were never built for your business.

A more human business

Agents do the non-billable work: the quoting, invoicing, chasing and reporting. Your people spend the day on customers and the crew, so relationships get better and the team performs.

Why Greg

You speak to the owner who has already done it.

Greg built Response Electricians in Perth into a 30+ staff business with 1,950+ five-star reviews. A general manager runs it.

He has trained 9,000+ trade business owners across Australia and New Zealand.

He grew a coaching company to 35 staff, a CEO and 15 coaches, then cut it back so every owner deals with him directly.

Most coaching companies hand you to a salesperson, then to a coach who has never run a trade business. Here you get the owner.

The Academy is in demand because it works, and Greg keeps places limited on purpose so every business gets looked at properly, by him. He reads every application himself, interviews the owners who fit and only takes on owners who are building for the right reasons and give back to the group. Apply now and he'll be in touch when a place opens.

Illustration: a trade business owner standing over three office staff buried in paperwork at night.
The old way

More customers meant more people doing the computer work, and more wages nobody invoices.

Illustration: a tradesman shaking hands with a homeowner in her driveway, his phone showing jobs quoted and invoiced.
The new way

You stay with your customers and your team. The office stops landing on you.

The old way

More jobs. More paperwork. Less of the owner left.

Most trade businesses grow the same way.

More jobs means more quoting, invoicing, chasing and scheduling.

None of it gets paid for.

So the owner does it at night, after a full day on site.

Or hires an office person to do it.

The office grows. The wages grow. The margin does not.

And the owner is still the one everything waits on.

Where we take you

More work. More profit. More of you left.

The phone rings with the jobs you want, at the price you set.

You grow when you're ready, never faster than the business can carry.

Every job is priced to make money, so the busy months show up in the bank.

The best tradies in your area want to work for you, and they stay.

The chasing, the paperwork and the 9pm admin stop landing on you.

The business runs the day. You pick which parts of it you're in.

Bigger, without the headaches. Getting bigger stops meaning getting busier.

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